NSW Process for child support when DNA test done without court order

[Kenapela]

Scenario:
A DNA test accredited by NATA is being arranged by proposed father from an affair, in order determine if actual father the baby.This is being done before any court order for paternity. Affair partner went ahead with giving birth to miracle child knowing father not wanting to father a child. (No other options for male affair partners in current law). Mother applied for Child support 3 days after birth.
In trying to navigate whats ahead, if indeed the father, willing to take care of child...
Is signing the birth certificate next?
Is there a requirement of a "court order for child support" still, and who initiates the court order?
Are there cost involved?
Is it better for the father to apply for the child support assessment in cases where the mother is invested in revenge and financial gain only?
Marriage is hanging by a thread.
Mother will have full custody due to the circumstances. (even though she has had her other children removed from her care from a previous relationship).

 

[sammy01]

Oh man.... What a mess.
Option 1. Refuse to acknowledge paternity regardless of DNA. Force mum to take this through court.
Option 2. Accept dna results sign birth certificate.

Regardless, there is no 'revenge and financial gain'. the kid is your's you pay child support. The kid isn't your's you don't. But all mum has to do to acheive this is apply for child support through CSA and they will contact dad.

Now, other children removed? hmm. This is a huge problem. Doc's could be all over her already. You want better advice than you're gonna get here.

 

[Adam888]

It takes 2 people to have a baby so it is the mans fault to.
If in fact he is the father it is the law to pay for child support.
Also if he is the father , he may change his mind and want to see the child one day.
So i hate to break it you, but no one can stop him seeing his own child regaurdless of the situation.
FYI children are innocent so if you blame a baby you have issues

 

[GlassHalfFull]

Regardless, there is no 'revenge and financial gain'. the kid is your's you pay child support.

Although I'm not disputing the father's legal obligation to pay child support and look after the child and I pretty much agree with your general assessment, I would say that the existing child support laws do kind of encourage financial gain, since in many cases payments by the non-custodial parent can greatly exceed real world costs of caring for a child (daycare costs excluded obviously). In situations such as the mother choosing to say home and be a single mum, while a high earning father ends up paying a boatload of money since he has 0% care and the income differential is huge. It does create a financial disincentive for the mother to work and provide. It's a flaw in the system IMO, and I found a very enlightening video highlighting the flaws and the unfair incentives built into the current system. I'd welcome an overhaul of it as part of the family law inquiry, but we will see.

Have a read/watch if you're interested...

Child Support Australia

Making sense of a system not designed to achieve the best outcomes for kids. Parent questions answered at the online complaints forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnqntee8hWA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJUdupNe1eY Answer to the question on notice...

childsupportaustralia.com

 

[rjm]

I thought twice about posting this, obviously the advice is too late in this scenario. Many men seem to get themselves in this predicament more than once though, that considered I'll say it.
The slight loss of sensation caused by a very thin layer of rubber is far better than 18 years of child support. Really gentlemen, what's the rush?
It's the 21st century, we have the means to avoid unwanted kids.
I don't think it's fair to expect a woman to have an abortion. It's not free of complications. There is a risk of not being able to have children in the future. On top of that is the psychological aspect of ending the life of a child.

 

[Kenapela]

Oh man.... What a mess.
Option 1. Refuse to acknowledge paternity regardless of DNA. Force mum to take this through court.
Option 2. Accept dna results sign birth certificate.

Regardless, there is no 'revenge and financial gain'. the kid is your's you pay child support. The kid isn't your's you don't. But all mum has to do to acheive this is apply for child support through CSA and they will contact dad.

Now, other children removed? hmm. This is a huge problem. Doc's could be all over her already. You want better advice than you're gonna get here.

Thank you for taking the time to reply..agree with your statement of it being a mess and if its yours you pay, hence the immediate DNA testing.

I thought twice about posting this, obviously the advice is too late in this scenario. Many men seem to get themselves in this predicament more than once though, that considered I'll say it.
The slight loss of sensation caused by a very thin layer of rubber is far better than 18 years of child support. Really gentlemen, what's the rush?
It's the 21st century, we have the means to avoid unwanted kids.
I don't think it's fair to expect a woman to have an abortion. It's not free of complications. There is a risk of not being able to have children in the future. On top of that is the psychological aspect of ending the life of a child.

 

[Kenapela]

I thought twice about posting this, obviously the advice is too late in this scenario. Many men seem to get themselves in this predicament more than once though, that considered I'll say it.
The slight loss of sensation caused by a very thin layer of rubber is far better than 18 years of child support. Really gentlemen, what's the rush?
It's the 21st century, we have the means to avoid unwanted kids.
I don't think it's fair to expect a woman to have an abortion. It's not free of complications. There is a risk of not being able to have children in the future. On top of that is the psychological aspect of ending the life of a child.

True... both parties are responsible for the prevention.
What is unfair is the female has all the choices.
Is the "whats best for the child" even considered here?
Look at what this situation is and the psychological affect of being raised in this type of environment.
Both parents should be able to decide if they want to be a parent.
I agree abortion can have its complications. And the psychological aspect of ending the life of a child is difficult.
But torment of whats to come for the child and the father forced to have a child that he doesn't want and then have to support for the next 18 years has a very damaging psychological affect as well. Many men are suicidal in these predicaments. Can you imagine if the tables were turned with a woman forced?
Women can just have an abortion if they don't want a child and the men just have to live with that decision too.
Anyway it is what it is.... by the way I'm a woman!

 

[Louise233]

True... both parties are responsible for the prevention.
What is unfair is the female has all the choices.
Is the "whats best for the child" even considered here?
Look at what this situation is and the psychological affect of being raised in this type of environment.
Both parents should be able to decide if they want to be a parent.
I agree abortion can have its complications. And the psychological aspect of ending the life of a child is difficult.
But torment of whats to come for the child and the father forced to have a child that he doesn't want and then have to support for the next 18 years has a very damaging psychological affect as well. Many men are suicidal in these predicaments. Can you imagine if the tables were turned with a woman forced?
Women can just have an abortion if they don't want a child and the men just have to live with that decision too.
Anyway it is what it is.... by the way I'm a woman!

No offence but you shouldn't have to worry about this situation.
If the child is his well its his problem no one else's. He chose this woman to have fun with and obviously enjoyed it.
My friend was in this situation the wife told him he is not allowed to see the child and he has never met the child who is 8 now.
The woman is the one who carrys the baby and is responsible for the child. All the father has to do is pay for the child and enjoy his life.
As you know a child is expensive so both parents are obliged to pay.
I wouldnt worry to much again its his problem not yours let him deal with it

 

[Kenapela]

No offence but you shouldn't have to worry about this situation.
If the child is his well its his problem no one else's. He chose this woman to have fun with and obviously enjoyed it.
My friend was in this situation the wife told him he is not allowed to see the child and he has never met the child who is 8 now.
The woman is the one who carrys the baby and is responsible for the child. All the father has to do is pay for the child and enjoy his life.
As you know a child is expensive so both parents are obliged to pay.
I wouldnt worry to much again its his problem not yours let him deal with it

DNA goes further than the father.

 

[rjm]

DNA goes further than the father.

Not quite sure what your point is.
Yes it's true that some women deliberately give birth to children because they want to increase their centre link payments & receive child support. It's no secret. That considered, if you want to have a purely physical relationship with someone you need to do everything in your power to not conceive a child. If it's not on, it's not on. If you don't take that precaution you have no right to play the victim.
Something men seem to forget is that they're playing Russian roulette with their wife's health. Getting someone pregnant is one thing. Giving your wife Aids or some other STD is another.
Otherwise intelligent men of all different socioeconomic groups continue to get themselves into this predicament.
Lamenting that it's not fair that men can't demand that a woman have an abortion borders on being ridiculous. Good luck getting that law passed. It would never happen, & for good reason. Even with the fear of an unwanted child & 18 years of child support many men can't manage to keep it in their pants. How would they behave if they could demand abortions at will?