VIC Sole Parental Responsibility - don’t give up! It is possible!

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krylek

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Just wanted to say to all the parents out there trying to get sole parental responsibility because it IS in the best interests of the child; don’t give up! I see it written so often that it is impossible, but it’s not. After three years in various courts, we got our final order! Sole parental responsibility and no access or contact from the other parent.

My advice for anyone wanting sole parental responsibility:
- Hire a top tier lawyer, you will need their expertise, AND more importantly, their emotional support
- You will need to go to a final hearing, so expect to spend around $100,000
- Keep notes of everything. Over a decades worth of notes, emails and text messages gave me a wealth of evidence
- Always do the right thing, be honest and ensure every communication is about the best interest of your child
- Make sure that your child’s health care providers are able to support your child; the child will need to know and trust them, and you will need them to write reports and speak at court on behalf of your child
- As stressful as this is for you, it is more so for your child. Throughout the process my child felt that no one listened to her; she kept telling the ICL, the family report writer, medical specialists etc the same thing, and then she had to go tell someone else. As much as they all supported her, it was very traumatic to have to keep repeating the same things
- Tell your employer what is happening. In my case my employer was supportive in terms of flexible working hours to fit in with court and legal appointments
- As early as possible, get your case moved to the Family Court, it’s complex and you want an experienced judge with expertise in Family Law. You will burn through cash in the FCC as they will entertain spurious applications. The Family Court won’t.
- Be prepared to put your social life on hold. The case will consume you and your child will need you to be as present as possible
- Organise a network of supportive family members and friends to attend appointments and court dates with you. A second set of ears is important, so is emotional support
- Make sure any appointments your child had to attend, that they have appropriate support.
- Remember, no matter how much of a, ‘win’, the outcome is, no matter how much it follows the child’s wishes, it’s still awful for them. No matter what the other parent has done to them, telling people you never want to see a parent again, AND having a judge decide they can’t see you, has got to be traumatic for a child
- Make sure you engage in quality and ongoing support for your child, they will need it
- Be honest throughout the process. The Family Report Writer, ICL, lawyers and judge are not stupid. When someone is telling lies they know. It’s very obvious when affidavits are full of lies and people can’t keep their stories straight.

The whole process was traumatic, a huge amount of money, (that I have to think of as an investment in my child’s future), and years of our life. But it is possible. I was told early on, by several cheaper lawyers and Legal Aid that we would never get what we were seeking. It was only a bigger, top tier firm that took the time to look at the evidence, and who were prepared to go to a final trial. From day one, they told us that what we were seeking was very unusual BUT, it was a very unusual case, so it was possible.
 

Atticus

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I see it written so often that it is impossible, but it’s not.
Not sure I've seen anybody comment that being granted SPR is impossible..... Certainly very difficult.

As it's taken you 3 years & over $100,000 with a top law firm team to achieve, I reckon VERY difficult to impossible is pretty much on the money (certainly considering it came with a no contact order as well. Probably even more difficult/unusual) I imagine that being granted SPR would be a natural consequence of a no contact order
From day one, they told us that what we were seeking was very unusual BUT, it was a very unusual case, so it was possible.
There in lies the point of difference than the other 99% of cases perhaps
 

sammy01

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Having seriously good grounds for seeking SPR I reckon is the imperative
 

krylek

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Atticus: It was unusual in that the parent we were up against, from did not have drug or alcohol issues. The other parent is not a criminal. The other parent had no (diagnosed) mental health disorders. That was one aspect made it so unusual. It is definitely very difficult, however, I think that is because many people are forced to settle before a trial because they receive poor advice. I received very poor advice from a number of lawyers, they were dismissive of me, and our evidence, that they didn’t bother to read.

There were if course, seriously good grounds for seeking the orders. I can’t imagine anyone investing the time and money into seeking SPR, without good reasons. The best interests of the child are the only thing that should matter, and unfortunately, the court system appears to completely and utterly support the kids through the process. When people ask on here, and other forums, about SPR, the same lines are trotted out, ‘Children have a right to a relationship with both parents’. Only if it’s in their best interests. The average, intelligent person wouldn’t seek SPR unless it was in the child’s best interest.

If a parent genuinely feel that SPR is what’s right, go for it. Fight. I worked seven days a week last year, and borrowed massive amounts of money to pay for the best legal representation. I will be paying it back for years, but I have zero regrets. By making the choice to go with a top tier firm, and go to trial, meant the best outcome for my child. Local lawyers and legal aid advice would have destroyed her life. I see people here encouraging people to self represent, but I’m not convinced it’s the best advice. So I wanted to share my experience and encourage people to trust their instincts, get other opinions and do what you know is best for your child.
 

sammy01

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Ok so dad didn't have drug, alcohol, or mental health issues? No criminal record? So no really good reason to keep the kids away from dad? No history of abuse? Wow.
So effectively you've managed to deprive a child of a relationship with their dad for fcuk all reason? $100 000 badly spent. Can you send me dad's number, I'd love to help him.
" and unfortunately, the court system appears to completely and utterly support the kids through the process. " You really wrote that. FARK ME. what else is the family court meant to do? support kids? or support idiots like you? 'best interest of the child" it is in the legislation.

You are appalling. Shame on you. No seriously, I'v been on this site for a few years - you are scum.
 
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Tremaine

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All I will say is this.

SPR is not the result of time, money and effort. It’s not the result of which parent fights the hardest or spends the most money on the best lawyer.

SPR is granted because a judge has decided, based on the evidence presented by the parties, that it’s not in the child’s best interests for the parents to share equally in parental responsibility.

A parent can believe it’s in their child’s best interests and hire the best lawyers in town and sink $100,000 into debt they’ll skip holidays to pay off, and still not be granted SPR. It’s fantasy to suggest otherwise.
 

GlassHalfFull

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Tremaine, I agree, except that SPR is not usually granted unless one party seeks those orders. There really should be a damn good reason to do that. It seems like krylek is being coy about the reasons, so I guess we can't know for sure why.
 

Atticus

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Atticus: It was unusual in that the parent we were up against, from did not have drug or alcohol issues. The other parent is not a criminal. The other parent had no (diagnosed) mental health disorders. That was one aspect made it so unusual.
Having had a bit of a look back over past questions you've posted, it appears to me that the major falling out & catalyst for orders was over child support .... The child is now 14-15, normally well within the age of having her wishes taken into account .... From what I can see, the child has not spent any (or at least an extremely small amount) overnights with her dad since you separated when she was around 3-4 .. Given that, It's entirely possible that the judge has considered the child (who is on the spectrum) to be so alienated as to grant the no contact order you were seeking as ultimately in her best interests... the SPR would be a part of a no contact order...

Having put yourself in financial hardship & (in your own admission) put the child through an emotional wringer for years, I don't think you can possibly say under the circumstances that this has all turned out in her best interests ... The emotional toll that this has had may well have a much deeper & prolonged psychological fallout for this poor kid than you are allowing yourself to consider ...

Not a win in my book
 

Charless

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Ok so dad didn't have drug, alcohol, or mental health issues? No criminal record? So no really good reason to keep the kids away from dad? No history of abuse? Wow.
So effectively you've managed to deprive a child of a relationship with their dad for fcuk all reason? $100 000 badly spent. Can you send me dad's number, I'd love to help him.
" and unfortunately, the court system appears to completely and utterly support the kids through the process. " You really wrote that. FARK ME. what else is the family court meant to do? support kids? or support idiots like you? 'best interest of the child" it is in the legislation.

You are appalling. Shame on you. No seriously, I'v been on this site for a few years - you are scum.
I agree with you, the father has every right , I think the only reason a judge would ever grant such a order is if the dad has said he doesn't want to see his child at all in front of a court and that would not cost 100k. This sounds a bit odd , the fact this parent has paid this much means dad must of been fighting for the child . This is very sad , there are children out there who would love a father
 

Charless

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Atticus: It was unusual in that the parent we were up against, from did not have drug or alcohol issues. The other parent is not a criminal. The other parent had no (diagnosed) mental health disorders. That was one aspect made it so unusual. It is definitely very difficult, however, I think that is because many people are forced to settle before a trial because they receive poor advice. I received very poor advice from a number of lawyers, they were dismissive of me, and our evidence, that they didn’t bother to read.

There were if course, seriously good grounds for seeking the orders. I can’t imagine anyone investing the time and money into seeking SPR, without good reasons. The best interests of the child are the only thing that should matter, and unfortunately, the court system appears to completely and utterly support the kids through the process. When people ask on here, and other forums, about SPR, the same lines are trotted out, ‘Children have a right to a relationship with both parents’. Only if it’s in their best interests. The average, intelligent person wouldn’t seek SPR unless it was in the child’s best interest.

If a parent genuinely feel that SPR is what’s right, go for it. Fight. I worked seven days a week last year, and borrowed massive amounts of money to pay for the best legal representation. I will be paying it back for years, but I have zero regrets. By making the choice to go with a top tier firm, and go to trial, meant the best outcome for my child. Local lawyers and legal aid advice would have destroyed her life. I see people here encouraging people to self represent, but I’m not convinced it’s the best advice. So I wanted to share my experience and encourage people to trust their instincts, get other opinions and do what you know is best for your child.
I hope he doesn't have to pay child support