QLD Seperation, property settlement, caveat

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Joshua Kay

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Hello to all,

I've been reading this forum and am impressed with the quality of responses and the generosity of time members provide to others. I would like to hire and pay one of you for a day rather than the numerous solicitors I've been making enquiries on who don't really seem to be listening.

I have so many questions i don't know where to start. Not sure either how to keep this brief. Sorry in advance as not exactly sure this will be in correct posting format.

Questions involve seperation/divorce, property settlement, caveat, parenting.

My main stress point this evening is deciding whether to engage a solicitor for my famly and property matters, or whether to self-represent. Never involved in personal law matters before but I have some minor involvement in my professional work. I'm a capable researcher, writer, and speaker, just not a lawyer. And i fully recognise that they have skills and experience that i don't.

I've got very differing advice from family and friends; from go it alone as what lawyers add does not justify their fees; to make sure you lawyer up.

Previously we attended family mediation and agreed to shared parenting - not yet formalised though through Consent Orders???

I've recently found what seems to be an engaged and caring lawyer who has agreed to defer fees (with 20% uplift ???) and am due to properly meet with them later this week.

But i feel taking this step will prove too expensive when considered against the asset pool.

The matrimonial asset pool is not overly much, $400k or so, with my ex privately offering 90/10 split in her favour and now asking for 75/25 in her Initiating Application. I had offered her a 60/40 split in her favour which she rejected.

I am broke. But I work full-time on a good income ($100k) and the matrimonial house is 100% in my name on title, with a mortgage in joint names. Living pay to pay, two children aged 5 yrs and 2 years - we started falling behind on the bills this past January 2018. By April I got my 1st Default Notice on a credit card and within a couple of weeks of that, my ex stated she wanted a divorce, apologised for stringing me along for so long, and admitted she didn't love me. Long story short is i feel i was used for my income and high credit rating so she could get house/s.

We are all living under the same roof - which is very difficult. I am constantly in fear she'll try for a DVO. She has become antaganistic, uncommunicative, paranoid, irrational and unpleasant. I am facing a smear campaign at the moment whereby everyone she talks to, she makes me out to be a monster. Neighbors, family and friends.


FACTS:
Together for 8 years and married the last 4.5 years. Seperation May 2018.

She contributed a house (she rents out) pre-marriage with ~$60k equity and about $10k super. I contributed only super, about $70k. Her income, averaging 1/4 - 1/2 of mine, went mainly to the upkeep of her house, but she also contributed to living costs. Her income was reduced due to our decision for her to be a stay at home mum when our 1st was born. She had some sole trader income during the last 5 years. My income paid for living expenses and credit card bills.

During marriage we built a new home. We couldn't afford it but under severe duress i signed up. She organised everything as property is her number 1 passion in life. There are various aspects involved in the house build that i won't ho into here.

She lawyered up and asserts because she had a property pre-marriage, did most of the 'work' to build matrimonial home, and is primary caregiver to children (she works from home, i work 1 hour away) - she is entitled to such a large share. Apparently ours is considered a 'short marriage' as well but I can't find out anything on this.

We agreed to put home on market in July if i paid some painters to touch up living room. I did.

She then stated she wanted to keep house as she built it. I said she could pay me out and I'd transfer it to her.

We couldn't agree on payout/split.

I engaged two real estate agents and she engaged 1 real estate agent, but she never let me sign any of them up.

She stated she feared I'd take all the sale proceeds as house was 100% in my name.

I provided her with an undertaking that 60% of proceeds would be held in solicitors trust and we each would get 20% so we could move out and set up new places to live. She said me getting 20% was too much.

I find out in October that she'd placed a caveat on the property back in July - i never got any of the paperwork from Land Titles - its still 'missing in post'.
3 days before the 3 month expiry deadline for Court action to be lodged in relation to caveat, her Initiating Application is lodged, soley for property matters - no mention of parenting.

We have been going back and forth in emails privately trying to negotiate a settlement, but she is not backing away from 75% despite knowing her legal costs would eat away a lot.

She is very emotional and i am very matter of fact. I have not progressed property mediation as i believe it is doomed to fail and see no reason to spend/waste $2-3k.

Q. Having said all above, do i get a lawyer and potentially eat 30%-50% of my settlement? Or self-represent?

Thank you to anyone who reads this and responds (even if just to say good luck).
Joshua
 

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As she has lawyered up, I suspect you do as well.

'Missing caveat' is an issue as it likely shows important correspondence is being withheld from you. An advantage having a lawyer is they will receive your correspondence. Security of email and PC also becomes an issue as she may read/delete emails as well as information on the computer.

Play it smart and do a lot of the work yourself to keep your legal fees down. Manage your lawyer and say you have a budget and need to keep within the budget.Some lawyers understand, some don't. Find the lawyer that does understand.
 

Joshua Kay

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As she has lawyered up, I suspect you do as well.

'Missing caveat' is an issue as it likely shows important correspondence is being withheld from you. An advantage having a lawyer is they will receive your correspondence. Security of email and PC also becomes an issue as she may read/delete emails as well as information on the computer.

Play it smart and do a lot of the work yourself to keep your legal fees down. Manage your lawyer and say you have a budget and need to keep within the budget.Some lawyers understand, some don't. Find the lawyer that does understand.

Thank you Rod.
Yes, i got a post office box for that reason.

My head tells me the same about getting a lawyer. Just tough to make that step knowing how difficult she is being. I have always backed down to her but this isn't something I'm giving in to. Hence i think she'll drag this on for quite some time and the legal fees will build and build.

How does awarding of costs work exactly? Are costs awarded to the party that pre-court offered close to the final orders that were rejected - so the party that rejected the reasonable offer pay costs? I mean i really think my offer of 60/40 to her is reasonable and equitable - if it ends up close to that in Court, will that be seen in my favour regards costs?

Thanks again.
 

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  1. Alas, where there is already one lawyer, there almost always has to be another.
    This is going to cost you money.
    The mission here is damage control, financially, and personally.
    Get yourself an accredited specialist in Family Law.
    You can search for them here.

  2. You cannot negotiate this yourself - because she is not somebody with whom you can negotiate.
    Like you, she is getting told all kinds of stuff. Only some it by her lawyer.

    She's probably also taking what actual lawyer tells her, and comparing it with
    the opinions and advice her ignorant layman friends.
    #clientfromhell

  3. This could end up being a short marriage, yes.
    That's not a question of mere time.
    Regardless, the property settlement is getting up there in complexity.

  4. Don't panic about the caveat. But you will need legal advice to get it lapsed.

  5. Consider getting some financial counselling of your own.
    Truth be, if you are living pay-to-pay on a hundred grand,
    then you (and your kids) may benefit from a bit of advice in this ballpark.
    Also, it makes you look like the sensible rational one, later.
 
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Joshua Kay

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Hi Tim,

Thank you for your advice. I think you've just helped me get past the hurdle.

Regards financial counselling, I'm already down the path someways. It's what probably ended the relationship. Through financial advice i stopped getting credit to perpetuate the cycle where i would try to satisfy my ex's every want. When i told her it had all become too much and i couldn't pay anymore nor go through with the purchase of another property she wanted - that was it. But i always knew an implosion was on the horizon truth be told. I just couldn't say no.

The home we built 2 years prior was obtained by getting a loan that was on the 'colourful' side. But under threat of divorce and losing access to my children, i signed the dotted line she created. It gets much worse than that, but at the end of the day she's the mother of my children, and i don't want it to get to a point where i bring things up in a Court that goes far beyond a property settlement.

But i can't see how it is fair that someone can use legal process and Courts to drain substantial money from an asset pool. And i fear she is too good at story telling and i am too soft that I'll end up with very little, especially if it can't be negotiated out of Court.

Are you able to briefly explain how costs are awarded, if at all, in a family court case?

Thank you again.
Your response was helpful and appreciate.

Joshua.
 

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re: Family Law costs.

In '99% of cases', forget costs. Unless something really really exceptional has happened each party will pay their own costs. This is somewhat dependent on the judge you get for your case. The important point is not to count on having your costs paid by the unreasonable behaviour of the other party.
 
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Joshua Kay

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re: Family Law costs.

In '99% of cases', forget costs. Unless something really really exceptional has happened each party will pay their own costs. This is somewhat dependent on the judge you get for your case. The important point is not to count on having your costs paid by the unreasonable behaviour of the other party.

Ok got it. I know it must seem like a simple or even insignificant consideration... but coming from a layman (me) perspective, the thinking is justice will prevail and the unreasonable actions of one party will cost them and not the fair party.

But I accept the reality the Courts want it resolved and awarding costs is not an everyday thing for them.

Ive decided to accept the reality of what is going to happen, accept it will cost money to go through the process, retain the lawyer, and look forward to the future with my children.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I was in a dark place but in the course of less than 24 hours am feeling ok again.
Simply amazing.