VIC Not seen 12 yr old Child since 14 months - filing app in case - Any tips pls

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I have this case going for a year in the Federal Circuit Court without any interim parenting orders. It has moved to Family Court. I have an IVO with one child for 5 years.

Wife as usual quotes family violence and risk to child opposing any interim orders. ICL for some reason also opposes any interim orders.

Final Hearing could be another 8-10 months away which will be like 2 years of separation and no context for the child with the lapse of time for any meaningful asssesment of relationship in Family report for Final Hearing.

Given the above I am putting a lot of time and effort on getting interim parenting orders to meet the child.

Questions:

While I am quite good at affidavits and did a few, I need help in drafting references to the relevant sections of the family law act to firm up the application as the FCC has given more focus on the risk without a proper assessment of the risk - rather than the best interest of the child.

What should be the key basis of the application in case at the family court. here is my list, please add more

- The family report was actually a wife's report as myself and son who was a child at that time did not attend. ICL and FCC earlier were against another family report in the interim. I did not attend the family report given my priorities for the older child who lives with me. ICL and FCC keep quoting the Family report which said - a break in the relationship with the father is better for the child. How aweful while research and family law core principle is to have the meaningful relationship with both parents.
- Daughter was alienated and told the Family consultant that she does not want to see me. I had reasonably good relationship with her until the day I was evicted, while there were issues created by the wife in an attempt to evict me and use the daughter to lie to court to evict me. Can I includ that.
- There is no assessment of the risk posed by me but the court cited risk to child to dismiss all interim orders.
- Domestic Violence allegations are all unproven - Two Police visits do not detail any violence but arguments. DHHS was secretly involved in one instance and on another instance before eviction without my knowledge to evict me saying that I pose a risk to the child with a false assault incident. Rest all in house violence etc all made up by wife and clearly shows the lawyer's wordings.

All law firms I approached want to take it to final hearing. However I don't think there is a need for trial as I know with some interim parenting orders in place with some access to the child who is already 12 yrs old, it will help us clear things in the coming months so as to understand if there is anything in dispute to go for a trial. I am not too much fussed about equal shared time but that will be decided after I get to meet the daughter and her views.

Seeking Orders - pls suggest or correct the ones below:
- I believe given that the child has expressed the view that she does not want to see me the best option available is to ask for Family Therapy to address the childs concerns. Also are there different versions of Family Therapy. I want to counter the argument that the Family Therapy also poses a risk to the child. Is there a way to have Family Therapy sessions without psychological risk to child. I mentioned that it is a safe setting but FCC still opposed the orders earlier.
- besides ofcourse the usual shared parental resp, decision making etc.
 

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I need help in drafting references to the relevant sections of the family law act to firm up the application as the FCC has given more focus on the risk without a proper assessment of the risk - rather than the best interest of the child.

We can help with this.

I had reasonably good relationship with her until the day I was evicted, while there were issues created by the wife in an attempt to evict me and use the daughter to lie to court to evict me. Can I include that.

Yes.

Two Police visits do not detail any violence but arguments.

Most people do not understand that in Victoria the definition of Family Violence is very wide and includes arguments. You may need to rethink and acknowledge some things were done wrong.

At 12 years old, your daughter might be best to make her own mind up. Even if alienation is occurring the feelings of your daughter are real even if misplaced. Some times you need to back away so your daughter makes her own decision and not have it forced on her which makes her pull away even further.

We can help prepare material on an as needs basis or formal basis.
 

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We can help with this.



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Most people do not understand that in Victoria the definition of Family Violence is very wide and includes arguments. You may need to rethink and acknowledge some things were done wrong.

At 12 years old, your daughter might be best to make her own mind up. Even if alienation is occurring the feelings of your daughter are real even if misplaced. Some times you need to back away so your daughter makes her own decision and not have it forced on her which makes her pull away even further.

We can help prepare material on an as needs basis or formal basis.
Appreciate your thoughts Rod. Well there are usually arguments at most homes. The options as you said are a 12 yr. old - (very obvious as I know the daughter and as my son moved to stay with me once he was removed from the IVO) is being influenced by the wife significantly.

How else will a daughter who was right there with me even the day before and reasonably good relations with me, does not want to see me.

The argument that a 12 yr old can make decisions i understand has been the lawyer’s responses. What do the specialist psychologists say about 12 yr old exposed to circumstances where they have to choose between parents given that the parents are irretrievably separated.

The child was asked to lie to school & DHHS that the father was violent on her on a very specific incident that happened weeks ago and the father was evicted and disappeared from her life in a day after coming back from school and is gone.

It is a case of quite of bit of alienation with father which I take responsibility to an extent. But kids at that age can they decide. How many times we thought about our partners saying that is it worth it with all the pain. The child will naturally think why the hassle, let me hang around with Mum who questions nothing about my activities or work.

Also, to say to leave the child for some time is against the fundamental guideline that in the child's best interest they need a meaningful relationship with both parents.

Agree there is quite a bit of work to be done by me to change my behaviour & parental skills (which I almost completed all courses and in the middle of one) and the daughter and me with the help of specialists try to reconcile and this is where I asked for Family Therapy which the wife and the court rejected for some reason.

But @Rod is it worth going to a trial and hearing with 18-24 months of no contact with a parent. Does it not put the non-resident parent at extreme disadvantage and the child to be disadvantaged to have access to the father. Isn't it a waste of time and effort of all and precious court time to chase on something where the relationship built over nearly 12 years is almost lost with the 2 years lapse of time and there is nothing left in the relationship to assess - to decide on the future parental needs for the child.

But please msg me as my doc’s are almost ready and need a lawyers review.
 

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