VIC Family Law Regarding Amended and Re-amended Responses?

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Malissla

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This is a factual law based question:

If a response to an initiating application is amended, it should be marked as amended. If it is further amended, it should be marked as "further amended, or re-amended". Where is the exact family law that refers to the fact that a document that is amended or re-amended has to be marked as such?
 

Lennon

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That is impossible to answer without knowing which court you are referring to.
 

Lennon

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This is a factual law based question: If a response to an initiating application is amended it should be marked as amended, if it is further amended it should be marked as "further amended, or re-amended. Where is the law exact law that refers to the fact that a document that is amended or re-amended has to be marked as such?

This is a legal question not a factual question.

I think the requirement is found in the Family Law Rules 2004 Rule 24.01(1)(g)(ii) - which requires that a document for filing must include the name of the document and the rule number under which the document is filed.
 

Malissla

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This is a legal question not a factual question.

I think the requirement is found in the Family Law Rules 2004 Rule 24.01(1)(g)(ii) - which requires that a document for filing must include the name of the document and the rule number under which the document is filed.


Ah I am grateful to you Lennon, The Respondant filed an amended response, after that the court has ordered that the Respondant Amend his response, my contention is that the Respondant has already filed the document named Amended Response and therefor the order should state that the Respondant file a Further or Re-Amended Response.

If the document is a Re-Amended or Further Amended Response should it be marked as such ? And if so should the order be changed to reflect that ? Can or is it right of the court to issue an order that the document be amended if in fact it is a re-amended document ?
 

Malissla

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This is a legal question not a factual question.

I think the requirement is found in the Family Law Rules 2004 Rule 24.01(1)(g)(ii) - which requires that a document for filing must include the name of the document and the rule number under which the document is filed.

In consideration of your reply I should ask is there a legal requirement to identify an amended response as a further or re-amended response although I am sure it's the same reply.
 

Lennon

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Ah I am grateful to you Lennon, The Respondant filed an amended response, after that the court has ordered that the Respondant Amend his response, my contention is that the Respondant has already filed the document named Amended Response and therefor the order should state that the Respondant file a Further or Re-Amended Response. If the document is a Re-Amended or Further Amended Response should it be marked as such ? And if so should the order be changed to reflect that ? Can or is it right of the court to issue an order that the document be amended if in fact it is a re-amended document ?

Ideally it would be called something like "Further amended response filed pursuant to the order of [Judge] made on [date]" or something similar.

What's most important is the content of the document, not title of the document, and I definitely don't think this is a matter in respect of which you should ask for an order to be amended. What is your actual concern about the title of the document?
 

Malissla

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Ideally it would be called something like "Further amended response filed pursuant to the order of [Judge] made on [date]" or something similar.

What's most important is the content of the document, not title of the document, and I definitely don't think this is a matter in respect of which you should ask for an order to be amended. What is your actual concern about the title of the document?

The Response to my initiating application sought unsupervised time, however orders where made that time spent must be supervised, the children eventually refused to attend supervised time - with the backing of the family report writer. He then made a vexatious amended response for Final Orders that the children to reside with him and at the same time he sought interim orders that the children reside with him, the interim orders he was seeking that the children live with him were dismissed.

The court have ordered that he amend his response to my initiating application - however I have filed an application in case to have the matter dismissed under vexatious response and other rules for various reasons. My concern is that the court by virtue of the order allowing him to amend, which is really a re-amendment will provide him with a different cause for action before my application is heard to have his response and the case dismissed/final orders issued via summery disposal.

Effectively if he changes his response, it gives him another bite of the cake which he isn't entitled to having previously filed for residence...albeit a vexatious application.
 

Malissla

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Ideally it would be called something like "Further amended response filed pursuant to the order of [Judge] made on [date]" or something similar.

What's most important is the content of the document, not title of the document, and I definitely don't think this is a matter in respect of which you should ask for an order to be amended. What is your actual concern about the title of the document?

I would like his Amended Version to stay in play so my application to have the matter dismissed can be heard. If he re-amends, it puts my application at risk of failure. Well at least until he re-amends, at which point I can file again. The court has informed that in the event he re-amends then the previous amended version becomes moot.

I don't want it to be moot, I want a hearing to address it!
 

Lennon

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The Response to my initiating application sought unsupervised time, however orders where made that time spent must be supervised, the children eventually refused to attend supervised time - with the backing of the family report writer - he then made a vexatious amended response for Final Orders that the children to reside with him and at the same time he sought interim orders that the children reside with him, the interim orders he was seeking that the children live with him were dismissed, the court have ordered that he amend his response to my initiating application - however I have filed an application in case to have the matter dismissed under vexatious response and other rules for various reasons, my concern is that the court by virtue of the order allowing him to AMEND, which is really a RE-AMENDMENT will provide him with a different cause for action before my application is heard to have his response and the case dismissed/final orders issued via summery disposal/ .. effectively if he changes his response it gives him another bite of the cake which he isn't entitled to having previously filed for residence.. albeit a vexatious application.

So if I have this correct:

1. Some years ago, you filed an application, your ex filed a response seeking unsupervised time.

2. Orders were made that the children live with you and spend supervised time with your ex.

3. Some years later, the children stopped spending time with your ex.

4. In response to (3), your ex filed an Amended Response seeking final orders and interim orders both seeking to have the children reside with him.

5. You filed an application to have the Amended Response dismissed.

6. The Court (for reasons you have not explained) has ordered that your ex amend his Amended Response.

You are concerned that if your ex amends his Amended Response (which he has been ordered to do) he may defeat your application to have the Amended Response dismissed, because the amendments may cure the defects that you are relying on.

None of that has anything to do with what he should call his amended Amended Response. You need to focus on the substantive content of the documents, not whatever title is put on them.

I don't know why the judge has ordered your ex to amend his Amended Response, so I can't comment on whether such amendments may defeat your application for dismissal, whether the judge intended to give him an opportunity to fix the defects or anything else.

I would like his AMENDED VERSION to stay in play so my application to have the matter dismissed can be heard, if he re-amends it puts my application at risk of failure, well at least until he re-amends, at which point I can file again, the court has informed that in the event he re-amends then the previous amended version becomes moot. I don't want it to be moot, I want a hearing to address it!

If the judge has ordered your ex to amend his Amended Response, then your ex is entitled (and indeed, required) to do so. Trying to keep the first Amended Response "in play" after the judge has ordered that it be amended appears to be a pointless waste of energy.